Microdosing Mushrooms for Moms: Breaking Taboos, Healing, and Rewriting Wellness with Moms on Mushrooms founder Tracey Tee

Tracey Tee: 00:00:00

If you want happy, healthy moms, raising happy, healthy kids like this is a pathway to really help.

Roxy: 00:00:05

What would you say to her if she said, mom, I want to try microdosing, I want to try mushrooms.

Tracey Tee: 00:00:10

If it's between binge drinking a bunch of Captain Morgans at a party and taking some mushrooms, like I would always suggest taking the mushrooms comes from the ground.

Roxy: 00:00:19

It's natural.

Tracey Tee: 00:00:20

When a parent's doing something, the kid does not think it's cool. If you wanted a good way to prevent your children from doing it, just do it yourself. Right?

Roxy: 00:00:29

I love how you refer to it as medicine.

Tracey Tee: 00:00:32

Call it that. Psilocybin is sort of like my current master teacher, and I really don't work with it recreationally. It's very sacred to me.

People are waking up to being really tired of being numbed out. We're tired of the pills, we're tired of the booze, we're tired of the hangovers.

Roxy: 00:00:48

What advice would you give your 25 year old self?

Tracey Tee: 00:00:52

Oh, girl, do the drugs.

Roxy: 00:00:54

More mushrooms.

Tracey Tee: 00:00:56

Take the mushrooms, honey, you're gonna be okay. That's what I would tell her, right? Stop drinking so much and take some mushroom.

Roxy: 00:01:08

What if the secret to becoming a calmer, more creative, more connected version of yourself wasn't another glass of wine, but a microdose of mushrooms? Today, I'm sitting down with Tracy T. Founder of Moms on Mushrooms and a leading voice in the modern psychedelics movement.

We're diving deep into why so many women, especially moms, are quietly exploring microdosing as a path to emotional balance, creativity, and self reinvention. Tracy's breaking down. What's the hype and what's the science?

Sharing wild stories from the front lines of this movement and opening up about the profound ways psychedelics are reshaping conversations about mental health, parenting, and purpose.

If you've ever wondered whether microdosing can change your life or just want the tea on what everyone's whispering about, you do not want to miss this one. Tracy. Welcome to the iconic midlife. How are you today?

Tracey Tee: 00:02:03

I am great. Thank you for having me.

Roxy: 00:02:05

Oh, my goodness. Well, I'm so excited you're here. I know it's been a long time coming. We've had to reschedule a couple of times, but I'm glad we have finally made it.

Tracey Tee: 00:02:13

So, yes.

Roxy: 00:02:14

So great. So great. I love your platform. I've been checking it out. It's so cool.

I'm so, like, I just think it's amazing that you're not afraid to speak out about Something that could be considered taboo. And for those who may not be familiar with your platform, Moms on Mushrooms. What kind of brought you to this? Like what, what was it about?

You know, what was going on in your life? Or, you know, mushroom, like what. How did this all come together? It's so fascinating.

Tracey Tee: 00:02:47

Yeah, well, it is definitely a. It is definitely a long, like, heroine's journey, but the. I'll try to keep it succinct.

I really felt when I started working with this medicine that it was the perfect thing for mothers in this time, in this time that we're in. I came to the medicine by way of being a comedian. I had a live comedy show that toured the country for years and years. It was pretty successful.

And then when the pandemic happened, we watched our whole business sort of slip through our fingers like sand.

And it that, you know, coupled with navigating, you know, yanking a sweet third grade girl from her school and putting her on a computer, which she didn't even have, and all the things left a lot of us with a lot of existential angst and grief. And then losing a business on top of it was really intense. And I had sort of been on a spiritual journey really ever since I turned 40.

I think when women turn 40, we tend to ask those big questions, right? Like, who am I? Why am I here? What am I doing with my life? Is this the life I want?

And for me, that sent me down a now almost decade long rabbit hole of searching for those answers. And I would come up against psychedelics every now and then in my studies and read about ayahuasca or psilocybin.

And it all sounded amazing and really resonated. And then I just would always think, well, I could never do that.

I'm a, like, I can't go to the Amazon rainforest and do, you know, six rounds of ayahuasca for three weeks. And I was raised in a very conservative Christian home during the dairy years.

So I've got Nancy Reagan in my ear telling me I'm just going to fry like an egg and jump up a.

Roxy: 00:04:41

Building your brain on drugs, Right? Remember that commercial?

Tracey Tee: 00:04:44

I can't do that. Yeah. So it just never really seemed like a possibility. But then after the pandemic started and the lockdowns, it kind of just seemed like a why not?

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It's gonna be a bunch of really cool women, and you're gonna put your big girl pants on. You're gonna do mushrooms. And I was like, okay. And so I had this totally stereotypical psychedelic. First psychedelic experience.

I, you know, fell in love with everything. The colors were brighter. I saw a grid over the earth. I felt connected to God, and I understood everything.

And I. I remembered going to sleep that night with my best friend, just like in our tent, just talking about how much we loved our husbands and our children and how grateful we are for our lives, and just going to bed with my face hurting because I was smiling so much. And I woke up the next day and I was like, well, this is it. Like, this is it. And that really gave me permission to explore microdosing.

And when I started microdosing, that's when all of those question marks and all the studies and different explorations I had had all started to kind of. All the dots started to get connected.

And the longer and more intentionally I microdosed and incorporated that into my practice, the more of the bad stuff that I had wanted to release was just sort of falling off me. I felt myself just get, like, the frayed edges, just the raw edges just got softer.

And I just felt myself becoming the version of myself that I always wanted to be.

And it really was during that time that I applied what I did for my comedy show, which was for mothers and bringing moms to laugh, bringing moms together to laugh about the things we have in common. I just. It sort of occurred to me that what we did with comedy now in these post Covid years really needs to be done in community and in talking.

And I think this medicine was this beautiful, gentle catalyst to help moms heal and get to the root of why they can't be women who also happen to be mothers and find the best version of themselves. And then I was in meditation one day, no drugs involved, and Moms on mushrooms just sort of downloaded into my head.

And I sat up and I was like, well, that's genius. Certainly someone's thought of it and it was available, and the rest is sort of history. So that's. That's the short version.

Roxy: 00:07:30

Did you ever do mushrooms in your younger years, like, before this camping trip?

Tracey Tee: 00:07:36

No. I mean, I think I tried some one time in college, but, like, I don't think I took enough or anything. But, no, I never did drugs.

I mean, I went to college in the 90s when everyone was doing ecstasy. And, you know, I'm from Colorado and I've definitely had my fair share of marijuana, but like, no, I never did any. Never.

I was a bartender in Los Angeles. I never did cocaine. Like, I never did anything. So I just.

Yeah, no one's more surprised than me to be sitting here talking about psychedelics since that's my career now. Yeah. So good.

Roxy: 00:08:10

I love how you refer to it as medicine. Why do you call it that?

Tracey Tee: 00:08:15

Because it is, it's truly medicine.

I've been really fortunate to sort of fall into mentorship with some beautiful women who, I always say I'm like raised by medicine women and they really walk like the earth path and the earth based way.

And when you start to look at what the gifts of the Great Mother give us for healing, for health, for, for all the things for nourishment, they are truly medicine. And I really don't, I don't use. Psilocybin is sort of like my current master teacher. And I really don't work with it recreationally.

It's very sacred to me. And it has been a healing modality. And microdosing in particular, I think is healing medicine. It's not like another supplement. It's much deeper.

There's, there's energetics around psychedelics that are hard to discuss because they're not like in a scientific paper, but they do exist. And that's again, how my mentors and how I've really learned this way. So it, it has to be medicine. Like, it can't really be anything else.

Definitely not just like a drug.

Roxy: 00:09:25

When we talk about going to College in the 90s, I can definitely relate because I was in College in the 90s too, in Los Angeles.

And you know, mushrooms were definitely around, but back then it was like taking a handful of mushrooms, you know, not really knowing dosages, just taking them and really taking them more to just get, you know, get crazy. Like, not in any sort of measured way, which is so interesting. There were different modalities.

I mean, you could drink a mushroom tea, you could eat them. Like nowadays it's so different because microdosing is so the hot button topic.

You know, it's like people are really like, you're saying, like, it's very measured now. It's very like, okay, take this much. I mean, I see it.

There are a lot of companies out there that sell mushrooms, mushroom chocolates and all, you know, mushroom gummies and all the things. And there are like dosages on the boxes. Like, take this much. If you Want to fill this and this and that.

So I guess with microdosing too, like, you know, it's become such a hot thing. Like how do you start there? Like, what could a midlife woman expect if she did microdose? Kind of give, like the whole trajectory of that.

Tracey Tee: 00:10:36

Sure, yeah. Well, first, I think we've gotten a lot smarter than the 70s.

I think a lot of people who are in this space now and are really psychedelic advocates want this medicine to stick. And I think there's a large amount of people who come to this medicine with a lot of reverence, even in a recreational sense.

And just because I don't work with it that way doesn't mean that I really judge it.

I think there's a lot of healing, you know, there's people that really think there's a lot of healing that can happen, like at a concert or a rave, you know. And working with this medicine, I believe that to be true.

But I think we've gotten a lot smarter and now that some of the grip on research has been released, like, we just know more and we can talk about it a little bit more freely. So things like lab testing and dosage are important so that you have an experience that is like manageable for you.

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And you're taking it in small doses over time.

And the idea is that it will work with your five H2A receptors, your serotonin reuptake receptors, and your brain and rewire your brain in the same way. That can happen in a large dose experience. But because you're taking such small amounts, you're not having the hallucinations, the visuals.

You're in total control of your day to day life and it's kind of working in the background.

And so a lot of it is anecdotal because to do a longitudinal study around microdosing is actually really hard because you'd have to have everyone taking the exact same grow of mushrooms at the exact same dose. They'd have to weigh the same, eat the same, have the same amount of stress, be in the same room all day long. It's just a hard study to quantify.

But what we know anecdotally and through citizen science is that people are finding a lot of relief from small doses of psilocybin in everything from anxiety, overwhelm, adhd. We're finding addiction and just toxic or bad habits that you want to release.

And there's something about the way psilocybin works in our brain that allows us to kind of like create new pathways and close down the paths.

If you think of it like a ski slope, like this slope is me drinking too much wine every night and I really want to stop and then enter microdosing with an intentional practice and, oh, look, I'm making a new slope where that doesn't happen and it's not as hard. So that's like a very basic explanation of it.

But the key is taking a really small dose, usually around one tenth of a gram or what a large dose would be.

So typically we say that if someone wants to have a large dose experience, or when you start seeing visuals and stuff, that can really start around a half a gram or a gram again, depending on how it alchemizes in your body and up from there, you're going to start having those, like, traditional psychedelic experiences. So we're talking about a microdose is anything from 50 milligrams to maybe 200 milligrams.

So a really tiny amount which allows you to drive and go and work and go about your day. And you're just, you're not high or anything like that. The way I can equate it and sort of like noticing that it's in your body is how we feel.

Maybe after we have a cup of coffee, like, it's there, but it's not, it's not really inhibiting anything, but it may like, lift you up a little bit more. So.

Roxy: 00:14:46

Oh, that's fascinating. So if you're doing these smaller doses, it's like you kind of.

It's like a tinge, like you feel the tint of it, but it's not like you're feeling incapacitated in any way or like that you can't carry on with your daily activities.

Tracey Tee: 00:15:01

No, no, that's not what we want at all. And that's why I think microdosing is such a great tool for mothers. Because, yeah, you're not incapacitating. You absolutely should not be.

And you know, when it comes to microdosing, more is not necessarily more. You want to keep it below a certain dose because you don't want to lose any control.

And yeah, and in many cases, it actually helps people find that it increases better focus, better Presence, more creativity. So it's a really beautiful ally just in day to day life.

And then if you're working through something or working towards something even, it's a really great ally to help you kind of release whatever it is you're working through.

Roxy: 00:15:43

Do you find that it gives you more focus to complete tasks or to complete work or kind of just keep you on a more focused path?

Tracey Tee: 00:15:52

Yeah, I mean, I don't, you know, I've never taken Adderall, so I don't know what those stimulant medicines are like in my body. But I will say for me, that's not something I really.

Well, I guess I do kind of struggle with focus, but it's not really something that I focus or struggle with.

But from a creative standpoint, as a writer and someone who does a lot of research and writes courses for mums and mushrooms, if I'm working on like a big writing project, I find that it does really help me drop in and keep focused on writing, mainly because it sort of stops the self censorship and the words just kind of flow out a little bit more. So I'm just more in that creative flow process. It's easier to drop into that.

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Roxy: 00:16:56

And do you find that it helps with your relationships, like your relationship with your partner or your relationship with your kids?

Tracey Tee: 00:17:02

Yeah, I think in that I've. So first, I just want to preface that I really think microdosing is best done with an intentional practice.

And it's, for lack of a better word, like one tool in your toolkit. Right. So just treating a microdose like another supplement, I don't think is going to bring the desired effects, as if you do it with some intention.

So at Moms and Mushrooms, we always say, like, know your why, know why you're taking this and educate and empower yourself to understand how it's working in your body, how it works in your brain, and then what else are you going to fold in to understand and cultivate your intention? So, you know, one of my lesser great qualities is my reactivity and I could just tend to. Yeah, Be pretty reactive and not really mind my words.

And what I found with microdosing is that I found a lot more space between my words, which allowed me to kind of zoom out, look at everything forming in my head, and then be like, okay, girl, don't say that. And then let it go through better. Which of course improves relationships. And I have a daughter, she's 14.

So I would say for as far as a parent, I think one of the beautiful things that working with psychedelics has done, and this is both in the micro and the macro, is we talk a lot about ego dissolution. When you take psychedelics, like, it dissolves your ego. Well, really what it does is it lowers the impact of your default mode network.

And that is kind of like a fancy word of saying your ego. It's the thing that keeps you safe, the thing that likes repetitive, like, I know this to be true, right?

And keeps you away from change and kind of hypervigilant.

And when that ego or default mode network quiets, you get to think of things from a new perspective without a grip on, like an emotional grip of what the emotional, like, the outcome is going to be. So as a parent, I really stopped parenting from what I wanted. And.

And I was really able to drop in and listen to my daughter and kind of make decisions based on what's best for her and not what my friends are going to think about it or what my family's going to think or, you know, oh, you know, this isn't going to present well. I'm really like, well, what's best for my kid? And that's what I want. And my ego really left the building, and that was really beautiful.

Roxy: 00:19:32

Oh, that's amazing.

You know, you have a teenage daughter and teenagers like to, you know, come into things and experiments, particularly with alcohol and all the things. What would you say to her if she said, mom, I want to try microdosing, I want to try mushrooms?

Tracey Tee: 00:19:48

Well, I would, knowing what I know now. And this is not how I was, because I drank a lot when I was really young. You know, I would really steer any teenager away from drinking.

It's just not good for you and your brain. We know that the brain doesn't really finish developing until around 25 years old. So I wouldn't really recommend too much early on in general.

But, gosh, if it's between binge drinking a bunch of Captain Morgan's at a party and taking some mushrooms, like, I would always suggest taking the mushrooms comes from the ground.

Roxy: 00:20:25

It's natural.

Tracey Tee: 00:20:27

It's just. It's just, you know, everything, toxicity levels and even harm to others. There's no comparison between mushrooms and alcohol.

It's on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Alcohol being the most toxic, the most addictive, causes the most crime, the most harm to others, and psilocybin actually causing the least.

So really what we do is just try to educate her around all substances and the why around it. And we're not teetotalers, but explaining what alcohol is, what a closer is versus an opener, what a depressant is versus a stimulant. And she.

We're very open and talking about psychedelics, and hopefully she'll, you know, she'll just ask, you know, or be curious. But, you know, honestly, people ask me this all the time. And the truth is, when a parent's doing something, the kid does not think it's cool.

So I'm actually not worried about her working with psilocybin at all. She's so bored with me talking, she'll, like, never do it. Totally.

Roxy: 00:21:31

I know my daughter wants to do the exact opposite of whatever I'm doing at any given time, you know.

Tracey Tee: 00:21:37

Oh, totally.

So, like, it's really not that I'm not against drugs at all, clearly, or, you know, psychedelics, but, like, if you wanted a good way to prevent your children from doing it, just do it yourself. Right? Good point.

Roxy: 00:21:50

Good point.

Tracey Tee: 00:21:50

Yeah.

Roxy: 00:21:51

You know, I love that you brought up too about. About alcohol, because it's funny, people say, you know, marijuana is the gateway drug. I think it's alcohol.

I think alcohol is the gateway drug to everything. And so I'm glad you brought. Brought that point up.

But, you know, I go to parties now with other moms, and I will say that mushrooms are like the hot ticket. I mean, everybody, like the moms are gravitating towards the mushrooms.

And, you know, we talk about it and it's like, you know, the hangover isn't there the next day. Like you would if you had like, three or four cocktails. And, you know, you sleep, you sleep well.

And, you know, there's just a list of things that, when I talk to these moms that they say, so why do you think that microdosing mushrooms resonate so much with moms, particularly at this stage in life?

Tracey Tee: 00:22:43

Yeah, I mean, I think all the things you said, I think that.

I think this is going to be, like, maybe sound a little out there, but, you know, spiritually as a society, I think we're at a real shifting point of consciousness, and women in particular are really starting to Understand that the way we've been doing things for many generations isn't necessarily in our best interests and it doesn't make us feel whole. And as a society, we've always been okay with mothers in particular like having mommy's little helper.

And we've always been okay with like a mom who kind of, who takes her volume or has a martini during lunch and we kind of pat her on the head and like, okay, that's your little gift for this being really hard. But nobody really gets to talk about actually how hard it is to be a parent, the pressures that it is, and there's no outlet.

And then we really don't like emotional women, we don't like to see that, and we really don't like to see mothers say, hey, this is actually really hard and I love being a mother, but this is hard and I need help. There's nothing in our framework of our society that's really set up to support that.

And so I think we're at this moment where people are waking up to being really tired of being numbed out. We're tired of the pills, we're tired of the booze, we're tired of the hangovers. And we have something in our hearts.

I think a lot of women are just, there's something in our hearts that is saying there's something more and I want to feel like myself. And there's just something about mushrooms that even just the idea of them, the energy behind them really resonates with that.

And then when you work with them and you realize that they're not going to fry your brain like drugs, that they're not addictive, they're actually anti addictive. It's almost impossible. You'd have to eat hundreds of pounds of mushrooms to even try to overdose. And nobody really thinks you can.

There's only three semi known deaths to psilocybin in recorded history. And those two of those, we suspect there were other substances involved.

So yes, you can jump off a building if you're on drugs, but that's with anything. You just can't. The fear behind it has limited us from exploring its medicinal properties.

And I just think we're at a time where moms are just like, yeah, no, I just don't like drinking that much wine anymore.

Roxy: 00:25:18

Right.

Tracey Tee: 00:25:19

And I think it just comes with, we're at a shift where people are wanting to feel better, like, holy. Well, not just surface.

Roxy: 00:25:26

Well, you know, it's interesting too because, you know, it's been so widely accepted to have, you know, the Two martini lunch or. Yeah, you know, moms getting together for a play date and you open a bottle of wine and like have that.

But like with mushrooms and microdosing, there's still such a stigma attached to it.

Tracey Tee: 00:25:44

So.

Roxy: 00:25:45

Yeah, how do you navigate that, you know, with what you're doing and like, how do you try to break that for people?

Tracey Tee: 00:25:51

Yeah, you know, I was obviously very nervous and scared when I started working with this medicine because it was so life changing and transformative to me. And I'm just like, well, there goes. There goes the family, you know, like, we're going to be outcasts. And there was some shame involved. There was.

And there was still fear involved. Like, am I misunderstanding this? Like, what were Reagan and co write? And I'm like missing something, that it's gonna.

I'm gonna wake up one day and then be a vegetable. But over time, I just became more and more convinced. It's just, that's. That is the science. Like, it just isn't that way.

And I was seeing such profound changes in my life that when I started to talk about it, the. And even outside of my fear, what actually happened was the opposite. 99% of people in my life leaned in and were curious because of just what I said.

When I talk to moms about it or they say, what do you do? Well, I have an organization that teaches moms how to microdose. It's this. It's like, oh my gosh, tell me more. I've tried everything.

I'm miserable, my husband's miserable. I'm tired of these pills. What is it? How do I do it? I'm open. And they're really.

There isn't as much stigma as you would feel think when you just speak about it from the heart. I rarely, rarely get any hate mail or trolls on our social media.

People are very curious and I think mothers just want permission to work with this medicine. And moms are just. We can't afford not to be cautious or mindful of what we do.

So there's already going to be a level of respect, I think, layered into psychedelic use. And so it's not so much about me changing stigma.

It's more about writing the misinformation and propaganda campaign that's happened in our country for 50 years and explaining how it really is versus how we've been told and then showing that I'm not like a mom with bags under here in the corner of her laundry room with a needle in her arm. It's, you know, that's just not how it works. So that's really, that's what I do.

Roxy: 00:28:05

So what about for the women in perimenopause? Some women are in menopause. How can microdosing help them?

Will it help them to alleviate any of those symptoms like the brain fog and the anxiety and all those things that hijack your body?

Tracey Tee: 00:28:20

Basically, yeah, yeah. No, thankfully there's, there's studies happening around this. I want to give a shout out to the amazing women at historic Stelica.

They're leading a lot of really great research around psychedelics and women's health and reproductive health and specifically out of London. And so we're, we're learning more.

And there's so categorically, it's not like if you take, if you start microdosing, perimenopause, hormonal symptoms are going to go away. However, what we're finding is that there's a lot of serotonin and things happening in the gut that we're not giving enough credit to.

And so psilocybin works with the serotonin. So we're trying to research the pathways of how those can affect.

But in terms of things like anxiety, brain fog, overwhelm and something bigger which is less quantifiable, which is just like grappling with the change that you're going through. Microdosing can be incredibly supportive, but again, only I think if you're really clear about why.

And a lot of what we do at Moms on Mushrooms is try to help moms unlearn what it means to like, heal. Because we're so taught that if you just take this pill, everything will change. We want something quick. Our society is a quick magic pill mentality.

It's just not how psychedelics work. So there's some patience and some like, effort that needs to go into working with it.

But in doing that, it allows you to peel back the onion layers of what might be bothering you and what might be coming to the surface as you experience those perimenopausal symptoms.

And then like physiologically pairing a microdose with like lion's mane mushroom, which is a non psychedelic mushroom, is absolutely beneficial for I think all women should take lion's mane every day for the rest of their life. I went through early menopause. I had a full hysterectomy at 41, so I had surgical menopause in a day.

I went into menopause and it was incredibly debilitating. And I couldn't think for like a year until I started lion's mane I feel like I got my brain back.

So there's definitely, like, power of mushrooms that even aren't psychedelic that I would highly recommend. And then pairing them with an intentional microdosing practice. Yeah. Can be really powerful.

Roxy: 00:30:47

Wow. You know, even going through surgical menopause, like, you're saying you were still feeling the symptoms of menopause. Correct.

Like you still had anxiety, brain fog, like all the things all at once?

Tracey Tee: 00:30:59

Yeah, I mean, I had stage four endometriosis, so I was probably perimenopausal in my 30s. And, you know, talk about shame feeling like that when you're so young.

And then it just got My endo got to a place where we almost had to have essentially what was an emergency surgery. So I walked in with hormones and walked out the next day with hot flashes. So there was no real ramp up. And then, yeah, I had everything.

I had the hot flashes, I had the night sweats, I had the mood swings, I had the weight gain. I had my whole physiological body changed because my ovaries were removed. So, yeah, it was a big deal.

Roxy: 00:31:39

Gosh, I can only imagine. And had you already started microdosing at that point, or did that come after? Oh, wow.

Tracey Tee: 00:31:45

It came after.

And my functional medicine doctor wisely put me on Wellbutrin, which is an SNRI to help me manage that swing, like, knowing what it would do emotionally to my psyche. And I'm so grateful that I was on it because I really do think it helped me navigate this incredibly intense transition.

But like most people who take an SSRI or SSNRI or any number of, you know, mental health prescriptions, there's no out clause, and I'd never taken anything like that before, and I didn't know when I was supposed to stop. Am I taking this forever? Who am I without this? Am I just going to go batshit crazy? Who is she? Is this keeping me sane?

What is on the other side of that? And I didn't love that feeling of not knowing if I was going to be okay.

And so I felt like microdosing was a really great answer to something that was more natural. Didn't have any side effects. There's no titration. You know, there's no ramping down.

Like, you know, the world doesn't feel like it's collapsing like you do when you go off Zoloft. None of that exists with microdosing. And so it seemed like a really beautiful way to transition out of that. And so I. I'm.

And I'm grateful because I understand what it's like to be on something like that. And I also understand what it's like to microdose.

Roxy: 00:33:08

Women in midlife want results, obviously, but they also want to be safe.

So what would you say to somebody who's very interested in microdosing but doesn't really know where to start, like what type of mushroom or the dosage or kind of how to go about their journey?

Tracey Tee: 00:33:25

Yeah, well, that's why moms on mushrooms exist. I think that's the. That's the missing piece right now is that we don't know. We don't know what we don't know.

And so I always say to anyone who's considering it, working with any psychedelic or psilocybin is, you know, remain curious and ask questions and really empower yourself with knowledge. Like, you made it this far without microdosing. You can wait a few more weeks and just learn about it.

But also, there are amazing resources out there, and I really would encourage people to resource yourself when you start your microdosing practice. I. I believe that this medicine really wants to be done in community. It's not something that should be done in a vacuum.

So whether you link up with a coach or you join, you know, a course like at mom, or you work with your therapist or even with a group of besties, and you guys are kind of accountability buddies, talking about the onion layers that are unpeeling as you begin to work more consistently with this medicine and hearing other people's. Other people's experiences is just a great way to learn about it.

And I think, again, we're so trained to just, like, take a pill out of a bottle at this time of day, you know, this prescription, and it's just not like that. And so doing, you know, working with this in community, I think is really important.

And then it allows you to learn about the medicine and also, like, learn about your body, which is, you know, we all know we were never taught anything actually valuable for our health in school, so we have to do it on our own. So let's take this time to learn about how the brain works, and let's learn about serotonin and dopamine and how they affect.

And like, also it's a. I think it's also a holistic thing. I mean, it's a really good time to say what else in my body might be off balance because we have this quick get fix mentality.

And a lot of times people will start microdosing and not feel anything or feel any different after a few days or even A week or they'll take it and they'll feel worse. And I always just ask like, okay, well, tell me about your sleep. Tell me about your water intake. How much coffee did you drink today?

Did you know that caffeine exacerbates can exacerbate the effects of psilocybin? And, and let's not blame mushrooms for like maybe what too much sugar did or what your stress did. So there's a lot of things to look at.

And again, we're loathe to look at all the pieces together.

But you know, if there's anything about psychedelics and we talk about like multidimensional and seeing things from different angles, like it really does empower you to do that. But we got to look at our lives like that too. So kind of an obtuse answer, but that's what I would say.

Roxy: 00:36:13

Nice for people who have specific ailments. Maybe it's anxiety, maybe it's sleep, you know, all different things. How do they know what mushroom is the best for them?

What psychedelic is the best for them?

Tracey Tee: 00:36:24

Well, mushroom and psychedelics are two different things. You know, psychedelics refers to like an entire group of psychoactive hallucinogenic substances.

Whether that's ayahuasca, whether it's peyote or huachuma. Actually what you must not really consider psychedelic. So there's a whole thing. But from a strain of mushrooms, it's an interesting question.

I'm torn because I feel like when you're just starting, the strain doesn't totally matter. And we can get really hung up on strains when it's really about creating a relationship with the medicine.

And like strains do have different effects on people.

So, you know, that's, I think, why getting into like learning about it and reading about it and having a coach or a guide like kind of offer what they think is good is helpful.

Like for example, Golden Teacher, I find to be really heart centered and it's really good for like meditation days and days when I want to work through some big emotions versus like Z strain. That can be very activating. It's really good for focus. A lot of people with ADHD really like Z strain.

So there are nuances, but it's more kind of like wine, right? Like you can have red wine or you can have a really good Cabernet. But like, generally speaking the effects are the same.

But like cabernet versus tequila are very different. So there's nuance there. Which is why I think education is important.

But in terms of learning about strains, I Think, you know, do your research and read about it and then find someone who can guide you into starting with something that is good for you for what you're looking for.

Roxy: 00:38:13

And also, you know, because microdosing is so all over the place now. There's so many companies that are, you know, selling mushrooms and microdosing. But how can we tell if the provider is legit or not?

Because there are a lot of fakes out there.

Tracey Tee: 00:38:30

Yeah, it's a big issue. And, you know, it's hard for me to talk about sourcing because from a federal. It's not federally legal. And so it's still very gray area.

But I would say, like, if. Well, if you're buying like a microdosing brand and it feels like it's packaged and it looks like it's legit, you know, always check the ingredients.

I always recommend that you purchase something that is lab tested, because lab tests will check for E. Coli and mold and things that can make you kind of sick. But a good brand or company will also test for potency.

And they will measure the dose based on the amount of psilocin, which is the active component in psilocybin. They'll measure the dose based on that versus the weight.

And then because you really want to know what's in a capsule and if it doesn't list the ingredients or if there's a lot of other things. Like now everyone loves to, like, you know, biohack a microdosing thing.

So now you see, like, microdoses with like, cacao and shishandra berry and lion's mane and fairy dust. And like, how much of that, you know, it's going into a small capsule. So how much of that is actually going to be effective for you?

How much of it is a gimmick? And then, like, where's the psilocybin in all this? Like, how.

So is it 50 milligrams of all of that together or is it 50 milligrams of psilocybin and then all this other fancy stuff. So I always suggest, like, just buy a pure. You don't need. You can stack that other stuff. You can find those supplements. You don't really need it.

Stick with like a pure strain that's just psilocybin. See if it's lab tested and if they're not forthcoming with their ingredients.

Roxy: 00:40:18

You.

Tracey Tee: 00:40:19

Know, I. I'd go, I'd find somewhere else.

Roxy: 00:40:22

What about people who are a little scared because, like, it's not federally legal. So how, I mean, are people gonna get in trouble? If they try to get it or.

Tracey Tee: 00:40:32

You know, I can't comment on, like, legalities. In Colorado, it's decriminalized and now legal.

Well, it's decriminalized statewide, which means in Colorado, we can gift it, we can gather it, and we can can grow it. Decriminalization is happening in a bunch of states and a bunch of cities.

Individual cities are passing decriminalization laws, which allows it to be the lowest on the ledger of, like, what law enforcement is worried about, which is great, because ain't nobody committing major crimes with psilocybin in their back pocket. Like, it's just not happening. There's way more things for us to look at.

So if you're in a decriminalized city or state, you know, you can absolutely just grow your own. And the beautiful thing about mushrooms is that they grow on every continent on the planet except for Antarctica.

Paul Stamet says mushrooms are the most democratic medicine. There really isn't any cultural barriers. They're here for everyone, and they're really easy to grow. So I would just explore growing it.

That way you have full control over all of it. You don't have to worry about anything, and you did it yourself. Otherwise, you know, it's. It's kind of up in the air.

I know there's kind of murmurings at the federal level about possibly rescheduling psilocybin down from a Schedule 1 drug into Schedule 2 or 3, which would be amazing. So it's not up there with cocaine and heroin, but I don't know when that's going to happen. So it's kind of the Wild west right now.

And those of us who really want to preserve the integrity and ethics of. Of the psychedelic space, you know, try to work within the letter of the law. And that's why MOM is a education and advocacy platform.

And, yeah, I think we just need more people speaking up about it so we could at least get things decriminalized and not worry about getting in trouble.

Roxy: 00:42:23

Absolutely.

And how much of the, like, movement from the counterculture to mainstream do you think that moms are responsible for with microdosing and mushrooms and really getting it out there because it is so widely used amongst moms now?

Tracey Tee: 00:42:38

Yeah, I think. Yeah, that's a great question. I think, look, when moms want something to change, shit gets changed, right?

Like when, like, that's just how it is with mothers. And so, you know, you're absolutely not the first person that tells me.

I go to these parties and everyone's microdosing like, we know that it's happening.

I think what we're not seeing is like moms who are microsick, who are like advocating for it or really understanding even the real beautiful potentials about it, working with it intentionally and not just as a replacement to alcohol, which is amazing. But my vision has always been, if a million moms stand behind this medicine, we're going to get it legal and there'll probably be no war. But we.

So we just need a lot more voices. But I think when mothers start working with it in the day to day, it just naturally falls.

It lessens the trigger around it and makes it like, if moms are doing it, how bad could it be? So TBD, really.

But where I sit, I think we have a really beautiful opportunity, like we have with so many other things, where moms have rallied around a cause to really make a difference and say, like, hey, if you want happy, healthy moms raising happy, healthy kids, like, this is a pathway to really help and let's, you know, let's change the laws.

Roxy: 00:44:07

Absolutely. I mean, moms should be ruling the world right now. We'd be in a much better place.

Do you think there's anybody that should not be doing microdosing and mushrooms? Okay, who is that person?

Tracey Tee: 00:44:20

Yeah, you know, so no one thing is for everyone, period. And so. But psilocybin, magic mushrooms in particular, you really want to be careful if you have schizophrenia or even like first level.

So if your parents were schizophrenic, it can trigger things in your mind that don't necessarily come back. Bipolar one disorder, it's the same thing.

And then also if you have a long history of suicidality, you know, you really want to look at that and get to the root. And there might be better pathways. People who have really high anxiety might find that microdosing in particular increases anxiety.

And so sometimes people really don't like microdosing. Sometimes people prefer a macrodose or a large dose experience and you get that full therapeutic effect.

I would say, like a large dose ceremony is like 10 years of therapy in a day and that microdosing is just a little too intense for the body. So, you know, again, that's why you really want to work with someone who's had experience, who works with this medicine themselves.

It can really guide you so you find that sweet spot for you. But definitely schizophrenia, bipolar are the two that you really want to be careful. And if you're taking lithium, you absolutely.

It's the only real main contraindication of. With Psilocybin, it is tolerated. SSRIs are you are tolerated. And compare well with psychedelics or with psilocybin.

And often microdosing while titrating down from an SSRI is really helpful. It helps mitigate some of those negative side effects.

But again, all of those things you want to do with a pharmacologist or with your doctor, and there's actually really beautiful pharmacologists out there that specialize in that intersection of pharmacy and psychedelics that can really advise you. So just, you know, do your research, talk to experts and get some guidance. You should be okay.

Roxy: 00:46:26

And without naming any names, what is the most unexpected kind of jaw dropping transformation that you've seen in your community since starting Moms on Mushrooms?

Tracey Tee: 00:46:36

Oh, gosh, there's so many. You know, I think they may not seem jaw dropping, but, you know, hearing a mom say, I started playing my guitar again. I haven't played in 20 years.

I'm painting again because I love it. I forgave my husband, I forgave my parents. I stopped drinking. I got myself off all my medications. I mean, the list goes on and on. Or just.

I started loving being a mom, you know, I, I can play with my kids again and not get angry. It's. It just goes on and on. And it's those little, they're not little. They seem little things that just change the trajectory of an entire family.

And when you, you know, when you're happy and you're, you're happy playing with your kids again and you're not feeling pulled in a million directions and you can get down on the floor and play, or you can say, you know what? I'm not going to play today. And you don't feel horrible for saying no.

And you've created boundaries as a parent that ripple inside your family unit and to your friends. Like, that is immeasurable. And we see it all the time.

We just see lights come on in people's eyes and, and we've seen women who have changed careers and gotten into the psychedelic space after working with it themselves. They're like, you know, forget this office job. Like, I wanted to help people. People too. And we see it all the time.

So it's, it's varied and, and it's beautiful and it's constant.

Roxy: 00:48:11

That's amazing. How about microdosing and HRTs? Is there any sort of, you know, contraindication or are they safe to go hand in hand?

Tracey Tee: 00:48:21

Yep, they can totally go hand in hand again. I think you want to really look at all Your levels.

And thank goodness there's so many beautiful, you know, third party companies and even doctors are getting smarter about HRT and looking at like, okay, well what else do we need to bal along with just your hormones and really finding that sweet spot. So yeah, there's no contraindication between HRT and microdosing at all.

I would just say kind of a good rule of thumb is if you're in major distress or you're going through a massive life change, or maybe the HRT is really messing you up or you're really trying to struggle to get it right, it's probably not a good time to introduce microdosing because psilocybin is a non specific amplifier.

So it's going to bring up the things that are kind of underneath the surface and there's no guarantee that it's all going to be like rainbows and unicorns. What it might bring up is more rage or more grief or more sadness. But what the beautiful thing is that it gets it up and you are able to release it.

But you don't necessarily want all that rage to come up in a time when you're also not feeling great or you're navigating a really hard time. You don't want it to amplify that while you're just trying to get through the day. So it's not, again, it's not a band aid, but it.

But if you're kind of on the other side of say, let's use grief as an example, and you're really processing the death of a loved one, say, and you've gone through that really hard initial part or divorce, and you've kind of on the other side of the divorce. It can be a beautiful thing to help you heal, but you do need to be in a little bit more of a place of stasis, I think, for it to be effective.

Roxy: 00:50:00

And what about for the women out there who have lost themselves, who have just felt, you know, bewildered, they're overwhelmed and they're just trying to find who they are, you know, and get some self awareness and just reconnect with themselves. Do you think that microdosing and mushrooms are a good way to do that?

Tracey Tee: 00:50:19

Yeah. Yeah. But I think you have to be willing to change. And a really good question to ask yourself is, am I actually willing to change?

And the answer may surprise you because change involves not you, but it might involve your family or your friends and your lifestyle.

And there may be things that you're holding on to that you don't like, but if you shift them, it make, you know, this fear of the unknown is very real.

And so realizing that you've lost yourself and having the desire to come back home to yourself and like, figure out who you are and feel whole and feel like, you know, the best version of you can only happen if you're willing to change and if you're willing to do the hard work that it takes to again, peel back those onion layers and you know, face your shadow and really look yourself in the mirror and let her stare back at you for a minute and like process that, then I think microdosing is 100% a beautiful way and we see that all the time. But you're gonna have to roll up your sleeves and do a little bit of work for sure.

Roxy: 00:51:31

Absolutely.

Do you think in the next five years we'll see microdosing and mushrooms replace wine nights, wellness retreats, things like that, for more moms and women in midlife?

Tracey Tee: 00:51:42

Yeah. I don't know about fully replacing, but we, we know that alcohol consumption in this country is at an all time low.

And I think that's not, we can't thank just the mushrooms for that, but I think it's playing a big part. So I do think in, in five years, I think, I think we're seeing a trend of people just wanting to feel better. Right.

And we're, we're also seeing a trend of women wanting like, really craving community and connection. That's why like, you know, we're seeing 50 year old, you know, 50 year birthday parties at a wellness retreat instead of some massive boozy blowout.

You know, these things are becoming more and more common and, and then it's validating itself by women coming back transformed. And whether that's with mushrooms or ayahuasca or yoga or breathwork or just a really great time in nature.

You know, there's other ways to do things besides just getting blackout drunk or, you know, kind of doing it the old way.

So yeah, I think we're going to see, you know, in my prayer and here in Colorado, because we passed Prop 122 and now there's wellness centers happening is that we start to merge and understand where, you know, western traditional allopathic medicine is helpful, where we might be able to improve and embrace psychedelics for mental health therapy, where maybe traditional psychology is missing the mark and expand to modalities that we know are working better. And that goes, that helps people feel better, which helps them want to feel better.

And yeah, maybe, maybe everyone's just drinking Pellegrino at parties and having a great time. Wouldn't that be amazing?

Roxy: 00:53:17

I know, right? Feeling good the next day, waking up clear and not hungover, you know? Yeah, it's true.

If a woman or someone is listening to this episode right now and at the end they say, I want to start marching microdosing. I'm really interested in mushrooms. I want to get into it. What would you say to that person? What are the next steps?

Tracey Tee: 00:53:37

Well, if you're a mom, just come to momsonmushrooms.com and we've got you covered. We have a really beautiful self paced course that's called microdosing 101 for moms that really answers all of your questions.

We'll take you through the whole get started process. It's 80 bucks, it's affordable. You can do it on your own pace. And then inside that we have, you know, coaching. You can book one on one with us.

We have two communities, private communities off Facebook that are a wealth of information and resources so you can again empower yourself with knowledge. And so, you know, that's, this is why we're here is to help you get started.

And if it's not mom again, I would just seek out like, you know, look for coaches or different women's circles who are doing this so you can really get some support. I really, really think this support is important at the beginning.

One of the beautiful things I think about microdosing that's important for women right now in this time is that it helps us create a relationship with the medicine and gives us context for what it means to work with like earth medicine. Because we don't have any of that. We don't have ceremony in our lives. Our culture doesn't have that.

So let's take some time to create that relationship and then when you understand it, you understand how it feels in your body. Like by all means, go and explore a large dose experience too.

But you're going to have, you're going to know how to do it safely, you're going to know some terminology, you're going to know what to look for and you're going to know your why. And that's what makes this medicine really powerful.

Roxy: 00:55:09

That's amazing. So rolling back the clock a little bit, I want to know what advice would you give your 25 year old self?

Tracey Tee: 00:55:17

Oh girl, do the drugs. More mushrooms, take the mushrooms, honey, you're going to be okay. That's what I want, right? Stop drinking so much and take some mushrooms.

Roxy: 00:55:30

You're like, trust me, the hangover will be much better.

Tracey Tee: 00:55:33

Oh, girl. And like, I. I can't.

Even if I had given myself the opportunity to get out of my own way, to let my ego take a side seat and really, again, look at myself in the mirror at that age, and I was very driven and very clear about what I wanted, but, like, we can always do better.

I probably would have gotten ahead of a bunch of different things that now have compounded themselves that are showing up in my 40s and things I need to work through.

And I think just having the emotional intelligence and the spiritual freedom that psychedelics offer, I can't even imagine what that girl would look like now. And I think it's so cool because I talk to so many young people who are. Who are.

Who are microdosing, who are working really intentionally with psychedelics. I talk to a lot of young moms to be. That are doing ceremonies in preparation for getting pregnant, getting really clear about why they get pregnant.

And I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is amazing. It is shifting. It's happening in real time, and it's beautiful to watch.

So while I'm grateful for where I am and the perspective that I have, yeah, I'd take the drugs in the last 25. Totally.

Roxy: 00:56:47

You're like, why didn't I figure this out sooner? You know?

Tracey Tee: 00:56:50

Yeah, well, I was scared, so.

Roxy: 00:56:52

Oh, just a little note to that. Don't take mushrooms if you are breastfeeding or pregnant. Correct.

Tracey Tee: 00:56:59

I. That's a personal choice there.

But, you know, I would say more than anything, you know, don't take anything that alters your state of consciousness and get behind the wheel and, you know, do your research.

Roxy: 00:57:11

Yeah, absolutely. How are you living iconically right now?

Tracey Tee: 00:57:17

Well, I pretty much burned down my old life and really stepped into the truth of who I am. I try to wake up and speak my truth every day and live and lead with love.

And I don't know that that's iconic, but it feels very different than, you know, Tracy 2.0 is very different than pre shrooms, Tracy. And. And I try to. I try to live in communion with God and. And with my. With my values. And a lot of that comes from my medicine practice.

So, you know, I'm just out here being a mushroom mama and hope. Hoping to find more of me.

Roxy: 00:57:58

Yes, of course. Well, I definitely think that there are. I mean, it's. Yeah, it's. You know, it's only a matter of time to get everyone together, you know?

Tracey Tee: 00:58:08

Totally. Totally.

Roxy: 00:58:10

And I just think that in the next few years, I mean, we're going to be, obviously seeing so much of this, like the change is happening. What are you most excited about?

Tracey Tee: 00:58:21

I'm excited about decriminalization, legalization. I'm excited about. I'm excited about pairing psychedelic therapy with other therapeutic modalities.

I'm excited about other psychedelics becoming available to work with so that we stop having this one size fits all mentality around medicine in general.

I'm excited for people to start feeling better and becoming more sovereign and taking their health and their personal life choices into their own hands. And really. And I'm excited for. I'm excited for psychedelics to be treated with respect and reverence and find their place in mainstream society.

And it will look a lot of different ways and it will be commodified.

And my prayer is that we can stay ahead of that commodification and kind of learn from the mistakes that we made with the cannabis industry and keep it sacred, educate our kids about it, and that we, as a collective, start to heal this idea that we have to. It's like everything is a magic bullet and more is more. And that this just becomes a beautiful foundation of a really beautiful society, much.

Roxy: 00:59:45

More accepting and together and really building community. You know, that's an interesting point, though, that you make about the cannabis industry.

Do you see the microdosing industry kind of following that path as well?

Tracey Tee: 00:59:59

I don't, I don't. I think. I think people, you know, they're always going to be outliers and people want to get rich quick.

And, you know, we saw the like, like, you can buy like, chocolate micro bars on Etsy and like, Alibaba. Don't do that. Do not do that. So there's always gonna be bad actors.

But what I'm really seeing are people who are wanting to produce and cultivate really good, clean medicine for health and healing, and they want to do it the right way. Because we want this to be. We want this to stick. So people are really treating it with respect.

They're applying science with, you know, sacred earth wisdoms, and they're. They're really trying to create products that are going to help people.

And there will always, you know, Americans make everything into a candy, so you're always going to have a sector that's going to have gummies and lollipops and, you know, chocolate and God knows what else.

But I hope that from an educational standpoint and awareness standpoint, we start to learn about what to look for and that, you know, if that's your jam, fine, but hopefully we're going to seek a higher, better quality and not. And I think with cannabis, what happened is like, we, we, we pursued the more is more.

And now, especially in Colorado, like, people can't really even go to dispensaries anymore because it's so strong and it's gotten so kind of genetically modified. Like, people can't work with it. It's too much. And I don't want to see that happen.

Roxy: 01:01:27

Exactly. Keep it as true to form as possible then.

Tracey Tee: 01:01:30

Yeah, yeah.

Roxy: 01:01:31

And what's next for Moms on Mushrooms? I know you've got a lot going on with your kids community, so what's happening next?

Tracey Tee: 01:01:38

Yeah, I think just more awareness, more advocacy, and really just trying to spread the word about this medicine and support moms. Meet moms where they're at. And I'm working on a really fun thing that came from one of our communities.

I'm going to do like a my own riff on the 75 hard, but it'll be about nervous system regulation and nourishing ourselves. And that's a really big part of what mom tries to do. So that'll be rolling out soon. I think it'll be fun.

It'll be like, inexpensive and a cool thing that you can explore. And if you want to fold microdosing into it, great.

And if not, I think it's a good pathway to understanding, like when you're going to be ready for microdosing.

Roxy: 01:02:20

So any Moms on Mushrooms retreats in the future?

Tracey Tee: 01:02:27

In the future, not in the immediate future? Yeah, I want to do them well, and I think we need a little bit more resources to get it the way I'd want it. So we'll get there.

Roxy: 01:02:39

Oh, count me in.

Tracey Tee: 01:02:40

Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah, sure.

Roxy: 01:02:42

For those who want to connect with you, tell them the best way to connect with you.

Tracey Tee: 01:02:47

Yeah, you can just come to our website, momsonmushrooms.com shoot us an email. From there, it's just us moms answering it. We're not a big conglomerate. I'm on Instagram at Moms on Mushrooms official, and that's pretty much it.

Pretty easy. Very nice.

Roxy: 01:03:02

Very nice. Well, guys, definitely check her out because she's got so much great information.

If you're curious about microdosing mushrooms, Tracy knows it all, so definitely check out her website. That was Tracy T. And wow. This conversation is going to stay with me. Whether you're curious, cautious, or already in the know.

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