Found at 40: Losing Friends, Letting Go, and Finally Becoming Myself with Found at 40's Chrissi Harris

Chrissi Harris: 00:00:00

He said, life really does begin at 40. Up till then, you are just doing research.

Roxy: 00:00:04

You are not running a race against anybody else but yourself. Like there is no timeline.

Chrissi Harris: 00:00:08

Turning 40, I feel so empowered. I feel so excited. I feel like this is it.

Roxy: 00:00:15

If you don't want to say it to yourself in America, write it down on a piece of paper, stick that sucker up on your wall and look at it.

Chrissi Harris: 00:00:21

My husband, bless him, he is as sweet and wonderful as they come, but like, he just doesn't get it.

Roxy: 00:00:27

The online world, like, you know, we hear the bad of it, but there's also so much good we can connect with each other.

Chrissi Harris: 00:00:33

I would say reach out to your community, reach out to the people that you know, reach out to the people you love, reach out to the people you follow, the people you admire.

Roxy: 00:00:41

Do you take a step back and let your daughter kind of just figure out, or do you step in as a parent?

Chrissi Harris: 00:00:47

You know, it's like you want them to be able to have the independence because if you just sweep in and solve the problems, what does that teach them?

Roxy: 00:00:52

It's almost like perimenopause takes, takes over your body. Like it's almost like possessed.

Chrissi Harris: 00:00:56

We need an exorcism right now.

Roxy: 00:00:58

What's happening? Today's guest built a brand out of rediscovering herself and gave the rest of us permission to do the same.

Chrissy Harrison is the host of the hit podcast found at 40, where she speaks with women who've taken bold leaps into their most authentic lives in midlife and beyond.

From walking away from high powered careers to finding unexpected love or building passion fueled businesses, Chrissy's conversations are smart, vulnerable, and deeply validating. She's also sharing her own evolution, one that proves it's never too late to stop settling and start living out loud.

So if you've ever thought, is this all there is? Or what if I made a big change? This one's for you. So welcome to the iconic midlife. Chrissy, how are you?

Chrissi Harris: 00:01:51

Hi. I'm good. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you for having me on.

Roxy: 00:01:54

Oh, my gosh. So excited. We've also just done your show, so I feel like I'm getting like the best two hours with you. Get really getting to know you.

Chrissi Harris: 00:02:02

Double feature Chrissy Rock.

Roxy: 00:02:04

Our names even go together, you know, I know.

Chrissi Harris: 00:02:07

Sounds great. We might be onto something.

Roxy: 00:02:09

Totally. So I absolutely love what you're doing. You have an amazing podcast called found at 40, which I. The title just so rings true.

I mean, I feel like so Many of us have found ourselves at 40 or are approaching 40, and things are changing, and we're figuring things out. So what was it about turning 40 or entering the stage of midlife that made you say, okay, we need to do something. I need to start a show.

Like, we need to talk about this?

Chrissi Harris: 00:02:39

Well, it's kind of. It's a little bit of a long story, but for years, I've had this unresolved thought in my life of what am I supposed to be doing with my life?

I've had a little bit of a different journey where, you know, I got married really young. I got married when I was barely 20. I joke that I was a child bride, completely willing, still stand behind my decision. But I got married very young.

When we started having kids, I. My husband and I, we made the decision that I was going to be staying home for the most part.

I mean, I worked part time, but, like, I really did not lean into a career space. And so at this point of my life, my kids are getting a little bit older.

You know, there's more bandwidth to be thinking about what do I want to be doing. And so I had this unsettled feeling. It was almost like that, I would call it the spinning wheel of death.

Like that little circular, you know, when your. Your computer's frozen. Like, I felt like that was in my head and so realizing I truly adore being a wife and a mother, but, like, that is not.

Those are my roles. That is not all that I am. And so really, I was exhausting myself trying to think about, like, okay, well, then what do I want to do?

I feel like in a lot of is, I was arriving so late to, you know, maybe a career party where it's like, okay, I don't want to start, you know, some entry level position or, you know, what. What am I qualified to do? And, you know, I wanted to find something that was worth my time, worth my energy, something that would really light me up.

And so one night I was listening to a podcast, and it was talking about kind of the women's journey through life. And the podcaster, she brought up a quote that was from Carl Jung, the psychotherapist. And it said, he said, life really does begin at 40.

Up till then, you are just doing research. And for me, that was. That was a lightning bolt moment, light bulb.

Like, all the things, all the things fired off my head that it gave words to the thoughts that had kind of been existing in my head for a while. It's like, this is just the beginning. I Want to talk about it?

And so that was the beginning of this baby idea of let's start a podcast, let's talk about it. I mean, I have no experience in broadcast or communications or anything like that, but I was like, this is something. It finally was like, there.

This is, this is it. This is what I want to talk about.

And I know, speaking from other women, you know, all of my friends, my sister, like the people in my lives, they're all wondering the same thing and they've all had different paths.

Whether it's been a career type path, whether, you know, where whatever it has been, you know, it's not like everybody has, you know, been a stay at home parent or whatever, you know, they're all wondering these things of what am I supposed to be doing with my life? It's a huge space of re evaluation.

Roxy: 00:05:19

Yeah, no, I love that. I love that you sat with yourself and like, question, you know, like, what is it? What is it that's gonna fulfill me?

Like, what is it in my life that I need, you know, or that I want?

You know, And I think that that is such a valid question to ask yourself, you know, because I think especially women going through this stage of Life or approaching 40 and, and or midlife, you know, it's. It's one of those things where we kind of, maybe there's a feeling of being unsettled that kind of bubbles up a little bit.

Chrissi Harris: 00:05:48

Yeah, right.

Roxy: 00:05:49

That maybe wasn't there before because we're so in the thick of things of like, you know, either climbing the corporate ladder or raising children or being in a relationship or, you know, dealing with things in our families. And you know, there's just. Or traveling, whatever it is.

You know, I think that there is like that little unsettling that starts to happen right around 40. Would you agree with that for sure?

Chrissi Harris: 00:06:13

Absolutely. Well, like you said, I feel like 20s, 30s, we are running, we are in a dead sprint in a lot of ways. We are trying to build our lives.

And so by the time we get to our late 30s, at least for me, in my experience, there was a slowing down and it's like, okay, when I'm not sprinting, I can actually think, I can listen to what's going on my head and I can realize, okay, it's time to reevaluate. It's time to start planning for this next phase. And so, yes, it's unsettling and yes, it's kind of hard and scary because we get used to the grind.

We get used to running at full Speed. And so when we're not running at full speed, it almost. It almost feels a little bit scary to think, wait, something's wrong, something's wrong.

Danger, danger. But also, oh, let's listen to ourselves. What do we really want at this stage?

Roxy: 00:07:00

Yes, 100%. And, you know, you and I have both been married 20 years. You know, it's. It's 20 years.

And, you know, obviously, every marriage has its ups and downs, but I'm also wondering too, like, for being in midlife and kind of crossing that 40 threshold, how did that affect your marriage? Because, you know, in midlife, we deal with, like, health changes. We feel differently in our bodies.

You know, we've got a lot of symptoms that maybe start to pop up. And, you know, and our partners are there, but it's like, maybe they're not experiencing the same things. You know, it's a.

It's a different journey for them.

So I want to know how, after being married for 20 years and kind of going into this whole midlife process, like, how has it changed your marriage at all? Is it affected it? Like, are things, you know, different? Like, what does that look like?

Chrissi Harris: 00:07:48

Well, I think first, I mean, we've been together for so long, I feel like we've, you know, we grew up together, and, you know, we really are. Our lives really formed together at an early, early age. But I feel like at this stage, there are some diverging things that are happening.

I mean, with any of the perimenopause things. My husband, bless him, he is as sweet and wonderful as they come, but, like, he just doesn't get it.

Like, he does not understand where I'm just like, oh, I wasn't able to sleep. I tossed and turned and tossed and turned, where literally, he falls asleep within 10 seconds of his head hitting the pillow.

And I'm like, must be nice. Must be nice. You know? And meanwhile, I am, like, furious.

And, you know, like, the hot flashes where it's like, all of a sudden, somebody has turned up the thermostat. It feels like in my body, like I've got lava under my skin. What's happening? You know, he can't relate to that. And he can be like, oh, I'm sorry.

That's really hard. But I'm like, you don't even get it.

Roxy: 00:08:48

Totally. It's like, don't even talk to me.

Chrissi Harris: 00:08:52

No, that's what I need to call my friends. It's like, I. Again, I love my husband. He's just wonderful. But, like, he doesn't get it. And he's not gonna get it.

I think he's understanding cognitively, like, oh, if I'm a little bit more moody or irritable or snippy, like, we don't need to worry as much. Like, this is. This is. This is me. Sometimes it's not him. It's a little hard, though.

I think he's trying to roll with it as much as he can, but there are times where I'm like, I'm sorry. I feel crazy in my own head. It's not anything you've done.

Roxy: 00:09:26

Yes, it's all in here. Totally. I have this, like, joke with some friends. I'm like, he breathed too loud.

No, it's like, the brief or it's like, you don't get this, or, like, chewing too loud or just one little thing can, like, set me off, you know? And it's like, just the irritability, you know, of, like, this whole time. And it's just. It's in. In.

In a way, you know, I actually kind of feel bad for him because he doesn't really know what to do. He's kind of walked in the room, and he can see. Maybe I'm, like, a little more moody or what have you.

And I will literally see him walking back, like, leaving the room. Or maybe he was gonna say something to me, and he's like.

Chrissi Harris: 00:10:06

He's like, I'm just gonna pretend I never came. Totally. He's like, oh, I guess I won't say that.

Roxy: 00:10:12

Oh, I guess I'll just walk out of this room right now.

Chrissi Harris: 00:10:15

It's like you just. Just pretend walked in. Just read the room, honey. Read the room. Now is not the time.

Roxy: 00:10:23

Totally.

Chrissi Harris: 00:10:24

It's so funny.

Roxy: 00:10:25

I'm like, oh, my gosh, that poor guy. So I do.

I do feel bad for our partners some of the time, you know, because they probably are like, okay, I married, you know, a girl that I knew, you know, for however long, and, you know, she was this way. And then these sort of, like, things start happening to our bodies, you know, where it's like the irritability pops up, the mood swings.

You know, we feel.

Chrissi Harris: 00:10:46

Brain fog.

Roxy: 00:10:47

The brain fog. Oh, my God. The brain fog is the worst.

Chrissi Harris: 00:10:51

You feel like, what is happening Is this early onset dementia. What is happening with me where it's like, in my kids, even, they're just like, you know, I. I repeat myself or I ask them, did I.

Did I ask you this yet? And they're like, yes, Mom. You know, and it's.

It's really frustrating because you feel like Okay, I know who I am, and I know what my cognitive abilities are.

And then when you start having this brain fog and you start forgetting things or you start, you know, little things get dropped, you beat yourself up, you think, like, oh, my gosh, what? I am falling apart. And then, I mean, I don't know if you ever follow Leanne Morgan or listen to her comedy.

Roxy: 00:11:31

Yeah, I love her. Oh, she's the best.

Chrissi Harris: 00:11:34

I love what she says about, like, perimenopause, menopause. And she's just, like, in it last 10 years.

And the funniest things that she says about her husband, like, I love her, and I love, love that she's bringing such humor to this unavoidable life stage that, I mean, when you think of it, it's a privilege that we live long enough to experience these things. But, girlfriend, it is rough. It's rough.

Roxy: 00:11:59

It's rough. Perimenopause is not for menopause, is not for the faint of heart. Like, it is a huge. I mean, it's like your life is just turned upside down.

You know, it's not. And again, like, we were talking on your show, like, you. There's no preparation for it. Like, it just happens.

Like, you're just thrust into it, you know, and whether you like it or not, you know, you're kind of forced to deal with it, but it's almost like perimenopause takes over your body. Like, it's almost, like, possessed, you know, like, you're like, what is happening?

Chrissi Harris: 00:12:27

You know, we need an exorcism right now.

Roxy: 00:12:30

What's happening?

Chrissi Harris: 00:12:31

Yes.

Roxy: 00:12:31

But I do love those voices like, Leanne Morgan and, you know, Naomi Watts and Halle Berry and people in the entertainment space that are really talking about it, you know, and it's like, why can't we. We should poke fun, you know, of it and make jokes and, like, you know, laugh. Be able to laugh about what we're.

Because we're all going through it, and aging is a privilege. Not everybody gets it.

Chrissi Harris: 00:12:54

Exactly. And it's like, we laugh so we don't cry. So it's true. It's true. Yes. I will laugh about this hot flash.

And me looking at you for breathing so loud and thinking about is wrong with you.

Roxy: 00:13:06

Totally. And I do.

I do think there is some validity in saying that men do go through their own kind of menopause at this midlife stage, too, you know, I mean, they, too, are starting to see their bodies change and, you know, kind of figuring out, like, what, you know, and they. I Mean, a lot of them do end up probably having those midlife crises, like, at this time, because they, too, don't really have. They don't.

Men are different in that way. I feel like. Like they. There's some men that are good about talking about things. Sure, 100%. But I think, you know, men, when they get together.

Like, I don't see my husband, when he gets together with his friends that they're talking about, like, menopause and health things, you know, it's just different. They do, like, an activity together.

Chrissi Harris: 00:13:52

They play golf together, or, you know, that's. That's. And then. And then. So they're with their friends on the golf course for four or five, six hours, and then you come.

They come home, you ask them, honey, how's. How is so and so? And he's like, I don't know, like, you just spent six hours together. What are you talking about?

But, yeah, I feel like, you know, my husband, he's. He's just a couple years older than me, but it's like, okay, little things, like his eyes are changing. Like, he. You know, he had to get glasses.

That was a big one for him. Like, you know, he used to be able to just eat garbage. Like, he ate like a raccoon.

Like, just could eat and eat and eat, and, you know, nothing would happen. And then finally, when his metabolism slowed down a little bit, I mean, he's.

He still looks great, but it's like, you know, there is a change that has happened. He cannot eat like a crazy person anymore. And it's just like, yep, this is my life mirror.

Roxy: 00:14:48

See what we've been doing?

Chrissi Harris: 00:14:51

It's true.

Roxy: 00:14:52

It's true. It's like, you know, it's. It's. And it is. There's something nice about if you're kind of going through it at the same time together.

I mean, there's pros and cons, I guess. Like, maybe you guys are both moody at the same time or what have you.

But, like, there is something nice about, like, commiserating a little bit and just being each other's support, you know, because it's probably, you know, it's. It's. It's hard for everybody.

I feel like, you know, the kids, too, because kids see, you know, mom acting different or, you know, dad going through some changes, and, you know, for them, I think, you know, it's. It's different. It's. It can be hard for them, too. Like, do you. Do you think your kids kind of notice different things about you now?

Now that you're sort of in midlife, like, or after 40.

Chrissi Harris: 00:15:36

Oh, for sure. I mean, I feel like they poke fun at me all the time when it's like, you know, if I am repeating myself or, you know, whatever.

Whatever I'm saying, that ages me. They just, like, crack up. I mean, I feel like both of our husbands are in for a treat in a couple years. My daughter's 8, your daughter's 11. We're.

Once they get the hormones going, and then we've got our perimenopause, our menopause hormones, all of that, it's like they're gonna be in the eye of the storm and, like, you know, send your condolences to these mentors. It's gonna be a wild situation. But, yeah, my kids, for sure, they just kind of, like, laugh and they're like, oh, Mom. You know, but they're.

Luckily, they're. They haven't been too rough.

Roxy: 00:16:18

Oh, my gosh. No, it's so funny because you're right. Like, these hormonal, crazy hormonal periods of our times are going to overlap each other with our daughters.

Like, they're going to be getting their periods and, like, you know, menstruating, and we're going to be like, perimenopause and menopausing. Like, it's going to be wild. Like, wild in our houses.

Chrissi Harris: 00:16:39

Yes, I know it is going to be wild. And it's just like, oh, my gosh, I think the best thing we can do.

And I don't know if this is really happening, but, like, prepping the men so they know what to expect, that it's like, you know, there's what to expect when you're expecting. There's, you know, now there's. Thank goodness there's. There's books, and there's a lot more out there about perimenopause and menopause.

But, like, these men, I mean, I. I love my husband, and I. I don't want him to be constantly bewildered with what is happening with my wife. What is ha. You know, because it's like, he's known me forever, and, yeah, there's going to be changes. And, you know, I don't want.

I definitely don't want to drive a wedge in our relationship.

And it's like, you know, when it comes to hormones, when it's coming to whatever, things are changing, you know, if there's a way that I can say, like, hey, honey, like, I know it's going to be a little bit of a wild ride, you know, we're Going to ride this out together. I'm going to do the things I can to make this, you know, first.

It's, like, comfortable for me, but I'm going to try not to lash out and make you feel like you're living in the nut house.

Roxy: 00:17:45

That's the hardest part, too. It's like, swear it's not the nuthouse, but it is right now.

Chrissi Harris: 00:17:50

You know, it is now. Not forever, just. Just right now. So just hang in there. It's going to be okay.

Roxy: 00:17:58

So crossing the the age of 40, have you felt that life is just getting better or is it changing in another way? Like, was turning 40 hard for you or how has that been kind of entering this decade?

Chrissi Harris: 00:18:12

For me, it has been wonderful. I have loved it. I feel like I have been ready to feel the confidence and just knowing who I am.

I think of when I turned 20, and, you know, there's all the fun things of the youth and, you know, I was a newlywed. Who gets married at 20? I do. You know, 30. Being in the thick of it, that's when it's like, okay, I'm, you know, I had my two of my children.

I was going to have my daughter a little bit later. You know, being in the thick of it and just feeling so overwhelmed. But feeling 40, turning 40, I feel so empowered. I feel so excited.

I feel like this is it. This is a place where I can actually slow down to breathe and to think, what do I want? How do I want to map out this second half of my life?

I am loving it. I mean, bless my mother. I know she had a really hard time when she turned 40. To her, 40 was like, you know, a swear word.

Like, she couldn't even acknowledge that she was 40. She didn't want to talk about it. She didn't want anyone ask about her, you know, ask her about it.

But for me, I'm just like, I feel, you know, there's that SNL character who was. I think it was Molly Shannon, where she was 15. It's like. And I'm 50. Like, that's how I feel. Like I can stretch. She's doing toe touches.

That's how I feel at 40.

Like, I am thrilled by 40 because I feel like I know things and my body has not completely, you know, I'm not having the physical issues of, you know, my knees and my hip and everything. I wake up and generally I feel okay. Sometimes I've got aches and pains.

There are things that it's like, dang it, I can't, you Know, I can't move the way I did. I was a gymnast for a long time. I did gymnastics and cheer all growing up, and it's like, oh, I could do the flips. I could do the cool things.

Am I able to do those at this point in my life? Absolutely not. It would lead to a hospital visit for sure. But 40 is amazing. 40 is the start. 40 is seriously where it's at.

Roxy: 00:20:07

40 is great. I mean, it's. I turned 50 this year, and I just, you know, 40 actually wasn't hard.

I would say that 50 was a little bit harder for me to turn just because I kind of think about my mortality a little bit, you know, And I think, like, am I doing all the things that I want to do right now? You know, But I have to kind of give myself grace and be like, you will do them. Like, you just have to keep on the path.

So at this stage in life, do you ever feel, like, lost? And if you do, like, what brings you back? Like, what gets you back on the path?

Chrissi Harris: 00:20:38

Oh, yeah. I feel like at this point, it's less than before.

I feel like there was a lot of, when I was in my 20s where I felt like, what am I doing other than, you know, trying to raise my kids. And, you know, I. I didn't feel like I had a lot of personal, like, sense of self at that time, beyond, oh, I am wife, I am mother.

And so at this point in time, I feel like there is such. There is such a wealth of information. There are so many wonderful creators, experts, authors.

You know, it's way out into the entertainment sphere of, like, this is what the 40s and beyond looks like, and it can be amazing.

I feel like if I would have gone through this stage of life, maybe in my mother's generation, you know, maybe if I was doing this 30 years ago and there was still such a stigma, you know, or, oh, we don't talk about menopause, we don't talk about perimenopause. You know, I think I would have felt a lot more lost.

But at this point in time, I feel this beautiful connection, not just with the women that I know personally, but now extending what this podcast, like, it is so cool.

The people that you're able to connect with on the online sphere, you're able to get to know these amazing, amazing women that you would have never come across otherwise and people that you connect with. So I feel like, yeah, definitely less loss than maybe I expected to feel. So I'm very grateful for that.

Roxy: 00:22:06

The online world like, you know, we hear the. The bad of it, but there's also so much good. It's like we can connect with each other and, like, really talk about these issues.

And like, you're saying our moms did not have this, like, I feel so bad for that generation because they weren't able to talk about all these things so freely and get these solutions, you know, I mean, for us, finding a solution to a problem is, like, literally, like. Like just going onto your phone, you know, click, click, click, you're done.

And you're like, wow, that's so amazing, or connecting over social media or doing podcasts or whatever it is. And it's like, we are so deeply lucky for that because, you know, the.

And the embarrassment and the shame, I think, is slowly sort of drifting away, you know, I mean, hello, I'm in perimenopause. You know, it is what it is, like, you know, and I don't think there should be any guilt or shame or, like, weird feelings about that, you.

Chrissi Harris: 00:23:02

Know, and if somebody does make you feel that way, if somebody makes you feel like, oh, my gosh, why are you talking about that? Like, that's a them problem. That's something, you know, because guess what? The tides have turned.

And really, like, why are we keeping something that is so natural, so normal? And yes, totally sucks at times. But, like, like it or not, if you are a female and you're in your 40s, 50s, and beyond, you're going through this.

There is no avoiding it. So, like, stop your yapping. Like, this is.

Roxy: 00:23:34

You get on board 100%. You know, it's interesting. I've been getting a lot of messages and DMs from my community and from. From my audience about women feeling stuck.

You know, they're feeling stuck, they're not sure, kind of like, what to do next.

What are some, like, good, practical, like, three things, maybe, that you think a woman could do today to kind of get unstuck, to really kind of try to find her way?

Chrissi Harris: 00:24:02

Wow, that's a great question. I would say first you gotta slow down and you got to really take the time to think. Think about what is it that you want out of your life?

What are the things that light you up? Like, learn more about yourself, whether that's, you know, do I love. I love me a personality test. I love the Myers Briggs. I love the Enneagram.

I love to know kind of a little bit more about myself. What drives me, what motivates me, what am I really after? And then can kind of narrow Down. So I would say the first.

First thing you want to do, learn about yourself. The second, like, I think you really have to. You have to be willing to be uncomfortable. You have to realize, like, okay, this is going to feel weird.

This is going to feel out of character for me. You know, whether it's you're meeting with some new community, it's like you're putting yourself out there.

You've got to be able to risk kind of the failure or rejection a little bit. And I feel like at this point in our lives, I am caring less and less about failure and rejection.

I mean, obviously, I'm not going to do something that I know is going to. Like, I'm going to fall flat on my face. But you're just willing to get uncomfortable. So, like, learn about yourself. Get uncomfortable.

And then the third, I would say, let me think for a second on that. When you're feeling stuck, I would say reach out to your community. Reach out to the people that, you know. Reach out to the people you love.

Reach out to the people you follow, the people you admire. See. See the things about their. Their lives or their experiences that you think, oh, that could be really great.

I mean, I definitely am all about having individuality and, like, you know, not saying, oh, I'm just going to follow her path. But it's like, what is it about, you know, what Roxy does that people are really enjoying? Is it that she's connecting with people online?

Is it that she's, you know, trained in this way? Or is it that she's, you know, doing a animal rescue?

Like, what is it about this person's experience that seems really cool and kind of think about, oh, what might be really good about that, what might ring true and feel true to my personality and what maybe only sounds nice in theory, but not in practice. So I think those three things, and then you'll. You'll find your path a little bit more. I feel like, okay, you.

That gives you a start, and then you can start to see, all right, these are the options. This is. These are the places that I can go with that.

Roxy: 00:26:30

Absolutely. Those are great tips. Really great tips. And I love the personality test because I remember feeling so lost when I.

After I graduated college, you know, I knew I wanted to do something in media. I had worked in, like, entertainment marketing. I had, like, done the cattle calls of, like, going on auditions, and I just. I was kind of.

I was feeling lost. And I did take one of those.

I don't know if it was the Briggs one, but I took One of those tests and it kind of lets you know, you know, what your proclivities are and like what your skill set is and like what kind of profession and the, you know, what the two professions were that they said I should do. What either a librarian or a surgeon. Are you kidding me? That's like opposite two things, you know.

Chrissi Harris: 00:27:21

How did those have any overlap? Like, if you think of the Venn diagram of librarian and, and surgeon, it's like it's there. I'm confused by that one.

But hey, those would both be very cool.

Roxy: 00:27:33

Totally. I was like, oh my gosh, that is so interesting.

I'm like, I guess because they, they test you on numbers and like remembering numbers and things like that. So I think for that reason they said librarian and then the recall for the numbers.

But then I think for the surgeon it was something to do with like fine motor skills and like, I guess interest in science. I don't know. It was crazy though. I was like, wow. I mean, those are both amazing professions, but I don't really want to do either one.

Chrissi Harris: 00:28:04

Yeah, yeah. You know, I don't remember what mine said. I mean, I studied social work, I wanted to be a therapist.

By the time I finished my undergrad, I realized, you know, I'm just done with school. I just, I'm schooled out. And then, you know, I, I ended up working with kids in foster care. And that was super rewarding in a lot of ways.

But by the end, I think especially during this time, I had had two of my children by the end of it and I realized, like, I just don't have the patience for, you know, bless the people who have addictions and who have grown up, you know, in, in horrible situations. But the adults that really, really are doing, you know, dangerous things and aren't able to be a safe parent and all of that.

I just, by the end I was a little bit jaded and I was just like, you know what? I do not have the empathy that I once had.

Which if you think of that industry, you know, anything kind of social work and anything there, there's such a high burnout rate. And so by the time I finished, it was, it was time, it was a good stop point.

But then after that, you know, I stayed home for a long time and then just did kind of little part time things. But yeah, personality tests for find out where your, the way your brain works, like learn about yourself, do that personal inventory.

Roxy: 00:29:11

That's such a good point. Since you've been doing the show, like what has been Your most vulnerable moment.

Like, what has been the moment where you were like, oh, my God, like, I can't believe I'm putting this out there, but I'm putting it out there.

Chrissi Harris: 00:29:24

You know, I would say I'm a person who I. I like to look on the bright side, and I don't like to give much attention to, like, past pain, past things that have, you know, really been hard for me. And so I feel like even, like, what last week or the week before, on my podcast, I talked about. I was with my sister, who.

She is truly my security blanket. If you look through my episodes, she's on, like, half of them because we just like to. We just like to talk.

So we talked about friendship breakups, and she was talking about, you know, her. She. My. My sister, she went through a divorce, and she went. She had a friendship breakup with her best friend all in a couple years.

But I talked my most painful friend experience. And it sounds silly to be this happened when I was 16. And it feels crazy that it's like, oh, this thing happened when I was 16.

Why does it affect me now? But feeling like I had my group of friends. So in high school, I had this group of girlfriends. There was four of them.

They went on a secret trip without me, and it was like, don't tell Chrissy. And they went on a secret trip. There was no social media. There was no digital footprint.

But I later found out, and it totally rocked the foundation of, like, are these really my friends? These people that I trusted, the people that I thought were my circle? Are they not my circle? Like, it really rocked the foundation.

And so that's something that, like, I mean, even though it was so long ago, like, bringing it up, still, obviously I need some therapy for it because it's still, you know, I. I feel it, but, like, revealing something like that, and it's like, I mean, why? It's crazy the things that affect you. But I'm sure as.

As the episodes go on, I mean, there will be a lot of vulnerability because as a creator, as a podcaster, I mean, I can't just be, you know, the person in the background who just asks the questions and doesn't give anything back. So I'm sure there are going to be times where it's like, guess what?

I've been married for 20 years, and there have been some tough times, and this is a little bit why. Or, you know, these are the tough parenting moments or the times where I realize, who am I?

What am I wanting to do with my life, feeling that, you know, realizing that I'm a work in progress and that there's a lot of confusion. And I feel like, you know, we think about our lives and you think of like, I kind of life.

And it liken it to a bowling alley with the bumpers up, and it's like, okay, we are the ball and we're. We're bumping along the bumpers, and that's just part of life. And, you know, if we went straight and hit a strike, like, that's so unrealistic.

And realize that, like, hitting the bumpers is part of life.

And, you know, I feel like, not that I want to be definitely, I don't want to be cynical, but it's like there's probably some really hard times in my life that are yet to come. You know, there's probably going to be really hard times in my marriage there. You know, my kids are getting older.

As they get independent, you know, are they going to make stupid choices that have me, like, you know, I have to, like, lay down and, like, process. I'm sure, you know, my parents. My parents, I still am still lucky enough to have both my parents, and they're healthy. But guess what?

In the next 20 years, things will change. So it's like, I'm sure that there are going to be some really challenging things.

And I feel like as we go through this podcasting space and as we are sharing with other people, the thing that I love is that we have this community as well. You know, I'm building this little brand new baby community.

You have this beautiful community online that if you can say, hey, guys, this is what's going on with me. Who else have been. Who else has been through that? You know, chances are there's somebody who can say, hey, Roxy, I've been there.

This is what helped me, you know, and realizing, gosh, when we get vulnerable, that's when it gets real and that's when people relate. Nobody wants to hear from somebody who says, my life has been perfect and I have all the answers. No, it's like, we need. Need the messy.

Yes, we need that. We need the real.

And it's like, yes, sometimes you, you know, when you make crazy decisions, like, you know, you're going to get some crazy outcomes, but, like, no matter what, like, nobody gets out of this life unscathed. And what really makes a difference is the community and having people that you can lean on, having people that you can relate to.

And also, you don't know if your words. Not that I think that I, You Know, am this, this pinnacle of like, you know, pillar of inspiration. But guess what?

If I can help somebody feel less alone through this journey, like, that's a win.

Roxy: 00:33:49

It's a huge one. And it's such a, like an amazing, you know, help and service to other women to really put yourself out there like that.

And I think for me, vulnerability has not been easy. So it's always been hard for me to like, you know, fully put myself out there like that.

But the more I do, like you're saying, it is so rewarding, you know, because there is so much shared experience, you know, particularly in this community and in midlife.

And it's like so many of us are going through a lot of the same things, you know, maybe not exactly the same, but like, similar, you know, and it's like dealing with aging parents, kids, yourself feeling your self worth. And that's like another thing too.

I think knowing your self worth, as hard as that can be at times, really gives you the tools to be able to deal with what you can't control in the outside world.

You know, it's like all the shit that comes down the pipeline, you know, if you have at least a strong foundation, you know who you are, you feel your self worth that, like people can't, they can try to knock you down.

And I'm not saying they're not going to try to knock you down, but at least if you are solid with yourself and solid with the close, you know, knit group of people around you, I think that makes so much of a difference, don't you? Like, it helps so much, truly.

Chrissi Harris: 00:35:10

And it's like, you know, having the mentality of, like, hurt people, hurt people. You know, the Internet trolls, they're. It's because they're desperately unhappy and whatever and, and something that you said triggered them.

And so realizing it's like, I'm. I don't need to listen to what this nameless, faceless, anonymous account says because, you know, it means nothing.

And I have no problem hitting block.

You know, I've had a couple insults hurled my way and it's like, you know, I can like laugh about it and I could screenshot it and text my friends and we're all like, oh, that person's crazy or that person's idiot or, you know, whatever. Goodbye. So, you know, I feel like, gosh, so much vulnerability, but like, it's all for good. It really is.

Roxy: 00:35:51

It's all for good. And I'm so glad you brought up the topic of friendship breakups and like, remembering those memories because my daughter is now in sixth grade.

And that, for me, me, was such a big year for friendships. And it's funny how you don't forget when things like this happen in your past. I remember. Yeah. I remember, like.

Like it was yesterday, like, being dumped by my group of friends. My. The girl I thought that I was closest to in this group.

And I still remember it in the locker room at the gym, and she was there with a few of the other girls, and she just said, I don't want to be your friends anymore. And, like, that was it. And I just remember, you know, not having the language to really express myself.

And I felt probably not, you know, I was too embarrassed to express myself to my other friends and my mom. So I just kind of carried that my whole growing up, you know, carried it throughout my life.

And I just remember sobbing in that gym and just being like, oh, my God. You know, it's. You know, it just. It was so sad, you know, and it just.

Things like that, like, not being able to really talk to anybody, which I hope, you know, is definitely changing for our girls and our kids.

Chrissi Harris: 00:37:00

But you just. You.

Roxy: 00:37:01

Those things get, like, etched in your brain. Like, it's. You can't forget it.

Chrissi Harris: 00:37:05

It leaves a mark on you forever. It leaves a mark, and it's. You. You kind of hate it a little bit, but it's like, oh, my goodness, these are the things that made me me.

And what I hope is, like, okay, I hate that I had to go through this horrible thing, but it's, you know, these are the things that I'm going to be a better person. I'm going to be more inclusive. I'm going to be very, very aware, so I'm never a crazy, cruel friend.

And so we can teach our girls, like, this is how you, you know, this is how you approach friendship. This is mean girl behavior. This is, you know, putting a name to it. Because, yeah, there are a lot of people who just, you know, they're.

They're traumatized by this. And really, I mean, recently having. We've. I've had two episodes kind of dealing with friendship breakups. And the response has been.

I've had so many people respond that is. That has hit a nerve talking about female friendship. Breakfast.

Whether it's female friendship in your 40s or, you know, all throughout, it's like everybody has a story with that. That is something that is so relatable of. You know, you've had a friend. You've also had a disappointment.

You've had a heartbreak, a Friend heartbreak. And I mean, my sister, she brought up, I think, friendship, that's like our first heartbreak, you know, before we have a romantic heartbreak.

It's those friends. And, you know, I've been blessed to have so many wonderful friends just like you. You've got your USC friends.

You've got these soul sisters who have been everything, but, like, you've still. You've had those experiences that were traumatic, that were heartbreaking, that you thought, oh, my gosh, how am I going to get through this?

How am I going to trust somebody again?

Roxy: 00:38:37

Yes, how am I going to trust somebody again? And I think, like, you're saying it's not talked about enough. Like, we need to talk about this, because when friendships change, it's so traumatic.

Like, and even, like, now as an adult, like, Starting in our 40s of our adult friendship group, there were two women that kind of broke apart.

And although I wasn't one of them, you know, we're still in a close friend group, and the rest of us are still getting affected by it because we love both of them, you know, equally. And it's kind of like, well, you want to be friends with both of them, so it's not, you know, and it makes it hard for the people around you, too.

Chrissi Harris: 00:39:15

You know, I. Roxy, I am in that exact same situation in my life, real time right now, where big group of friends, two of them have decided, you know, the friendship is not good for them. They're not friends. I love both of them dearly. These women are wonderful.

But it makes it really tricky because, okay, we do group things, and it's like, you know, I hang out with them individually, but that is groups. It's like, we have these two separate little hangs, and it's. It's really, really hard. And it's like, okay, it's not about me.

It's, you know, like, they're going through a hard time, too, but, like, it's tricky.

It is tricky when friend groups kind of have those breaks and cracks within them, and then they're, you know, like these bifurcated situations, and it's almost like.

Roxy: 00:39:59

A divorce because you're like, who do I go? You know, who do you would go with? And it's. Right. And you want to go with both of them. You. You don't want to lose either one of them.

Chrissi Harris: 00:40:07

You know, it's a real tricky situation.

Roxy: 00:40:09

It's really tricky, right? But I feel like now with, you know, maybe it is partly hormonal.

There's, you know, changes and, you know, whatever it is Day to day life that I feel like this becomes more of a topic in this. In this time frame.

Chrissi Harris: 00:40:24

Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, it's like, okay, we. We went through our teenage years and, you know, all that, and I like our period hormones and.

And all of that puberty and that was tricky enough with friendships. Now we're older, and we should know better in a lot of relational ways. To not be catty, to not be judgy, to not be, you know, gossipy.

Now we've got all these perimenopause and menopause hormones where it's like we are afraid we are not as even keeled as we once were.

And so, you know, realizing and giving your friends grace and hoping that that kind of comes in return of like, yeah, sorry, I was a little bit nutty the other day. I'm feeling better. And realizing that it's like, okay, like, just blame the pear. Blame the Perry.

Roxy: 00:41:09

Exactly. Perry. Perry is always the root of the problem.

Chrissi Harris: 00:41:14

She's such a jerk.

Roxy: 00:41:14

She really is. You know, I will say, because my daughter's entering sixth grade now, she's going to a different school.

Her going into, like, the middle school world is triggering to me because I worry so much for her because I know how difficult those years are, you know, and it's like one of those things where, you know, hormones are raging and, you know, friendships are changing and the dynamics and. And they're trying to figure out who they are. They're letting go of, like, childhood in some ways.

And really, you too, as a parent, you know, they're like, letting us go. And the friends become so much more important to them.

So I'm like, I know there's going to be heartbreak and trials and tribulations for her and everything, but it just. I. I just get so. I just. I think it's just because of what I've gone through too. It's like, it can be really triggering, you know?

Chrissi Harris: 00:42:05

Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, you've been through all of these things and you remember it's like when your daughter comes home cr.

Because you know, this friend, you know, it's like history is going to repeat itself. There are going to be times where you know your daughter's friend, that she's been her friend forever, and now she's being mean to her.

And it's like, you know, your mama bear comes out and you just want to be like, I'm gonna kill this kid. This. This little monster. And you want to intervene. You want to intervene and be like, texting the other girl's mom and be like, what's going on?

It's like, oh, you realize you have got to be hands off, and you have got to give them. You know, you can give your advice, but then you have to let them figure it out. And that's. That's so hard.

Roxy: 00:42:40

What is your advice for that?

Like, do you take a step back and let your daughter kind of just figure out, you know, within the friend group what's happening, or do you step in as a parent?

Chrissi Harris: 00:42:50

You know, it's like she. Since she's 8, she hasn't had too much, but she's had a little bit of me. Really. I really want to kind of tread lightly of saying, like, oh, you know.

You know, I will talk to her and I'll tell her just, you know, when we're laying down for bed or whatever, when she's more prone to listening, I'll just a little bit say, oh, this was what my life was like when I was 8. And these were my friends are like. And just kind of like opening that dialogue so she remembers, hey, mom was once this age before.

Mom's been through it. She's not completely on a different planet. And there have been times where she has opened up that.

Oh, so and so, you know, just like the little relational aggression and the things as people have said and, you know, really trying to open up that dialogue. But, yeah, it's like, it's so hard because when your kids are little, you can solve these problems. It's like, oh, you know, they broke this toy.

Oh, whatever. Or they fall. They fell and they scraped their knee. Like, those are easy problems, problems to solve. But once they start getting older, it is.

It is hard. And it's so hard to sit on the sidelines and just realize they've got to experience this for themselves.

Even though, you know, you're just heartbroken and you're gonna be there and you're gonna be there and, like, ready to, you know, dry the tears and ready just to be that listening ear and realize, like, I know, honey, it's horrible. We're gonna get through it. And not that it makes it better to be like, you know, you will find your people, but it gets better. It gets better.

Roxy: 00:44:08

It's just so hard to not be the problem solver, to, like, take that hat off and then become the listener or, like, the vulnerability share, you know, it's like, that's where. Because you just want to solve it and make it go away. But I guess that's not the course of life.

Chrissi Harris: 00:44:22

I know it's like if you just sweep in and solve the problems, what does that teach them other than, you know, it's like you want them to be able to have the independence because guess what, their problems are going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. It's not going to be just, just, you know, this friend said, I'm not her friend anymore. It's going to be these bigger, more complex things.

And so realizing in the perspective, like, they have to be able to, you know, they have to solve these problems themselves. And yes, I'll be here for advice, but I cannot fix this for you.

Roxy: 00:44:49

So how do you deal with fear?

Particularly as you started this amazing new podcast and you're really putting yourself out there, which I think is so resonating, you know, with people. So congratulations on that.

But how do you, of course, how do you deal with the fear, like, of just, you know, all the things that come with that, all the things.

Chrissi Harris: 00:45:13

You know, I mean, I feel like I've had to almost. It's almost like jumping into a pool. Like, you just, you.

If, if I was going to wait for the right time in the right place and the perfect time to start this podcast adventure or I mean, really, if you want to expand any adventure, it's like there's never going to be a right time. There's never going to be, you know, a flashing sign that's like, here you, here you are, here. Go for it.

You know, I feel like first I've just had to like, absolutely take a leap of faith of just like, okay, here we go. And then also realize, like, guess what? Like you said, you know what, you can be like the juiciest, most delicious peach.

Somebody's still going to hate peaches.

Like, I feel like I know myself enough that realizing there's going to be people who are not into it, they're going to people, people who roll their eyes or who mute me on Instagram or who mute me, whatever. And it's like, that's fine. I don't have to be for everybody.

I don't need every 40 year old woman in the world, 40 year old and beyond, to listen and enjoy my words and my perspective and realizing, like, it's okay, I'm not for everybody. You know, I feel like it'll probably, as, as growth goes, I'm sure there will be some times where my confidence is rocked.

I'm sure there have been times where, you know, with you and your career and with your podcast and your platform, where your confidence has been rocked. But it's like, there's never going to be a perfect time. Like I said earlier, the time's going to pass anyway.

And I do not want to live a life of regret of thinking, oh, I should have done this. Would have been a perfect time to do this.

encing platform, you know, in: 2010

Like, I have a friend who she. She created a cooking blog way at the very beginning of Pinterest. And it did amazing and exploded. And she worked and worked and worked and worked.

And, you know, there are some times where I was like, oh, I should have done that. I should have done that.

But, like, I truly need to be like, I need to stop with the should have dones and just realize there's never going to be a great time. It's always going to be scary. Like, just freaking go for it.

Roxy: 00:47:21

Yes, totally. There's never a right time. Like, you're saying it's the. The right time is now.

Chrissi Harris: 00:47:27

Yeah, the right time is now.

Roxy: 00:47:29

You know, you had so many amazing guests already on your show and you've talked about all these fascinating topics. Was there a story that has resonated with you so far so much as to really kind of change the way you think?

Chrissi Harris: 00:47:44

Well, first, I mean, I love this.

I love that I'm having an opportunity to talk to these women who, you know, are in their 40s and beyond and have all these different lived experiences. The one conversation that has really stuck with me, it's my.

One of my good friends, Sarah, and she's 44 years old and she has done a full life pivot and she joined the police academy. So she's. She has a mother of five. She's raising her children. She decided I want to do this. And so, you know, her experience is so, so interesting.

I love talking to her. But when we're talking about, you know, I'm so. I'm, you know, I should have done this or I should have done that. You know, I feel behind in life.

I think for a long time that's something that I kind of struggled with. And she's like, whose race are you running? Who. Who is behind you? It is your race. You do not need to look at this person or that person.

Like, the only person you are racing is you. And so that's something that I really love because it's like just stopping the Comparison game.

Because it's not necessarily, you know, oh, she has this, I want this. But it's like just feeling like, o, oh, I should have done this a long time ago. I should have done long, you know, this a long time ago.

And realizing, no, now is the right time for whatever you want to do. I really have loved that. Whose race am I running? Nobody. It's my race.

Roxy: 00:49:05

That resonates so much. I love that. Like you are not running a race against anybody else but yourself. Like, there is no timeline. You know, throw the timeline out.

Chrissi Harris: 00:49:14

Right, Throw the timeline out. Throw whatever expectations you have. If you think, oh, this person achieved this amount of success at this age and I'm nowhere near that.

Like, throw it out.

Roxy: 00:49:26

Yeah.

Chrissi Harris: 00:49:26

Because truly there is no limit to when you can have success and what success has to look like. Because what success looks like to me is different than what it looks like to you.

Different what it looks like to my neighbor, different what it looks like to anybody. And so thinking that there's only one way to do, to do this right and to, to succeed is just so limiting.

So I feel like there's again, what we said before, there's room for everybody.

Roxy: 00:49:51

Yeah, absolutely. Like everybody has their own unique gift, their own unique voice and you can't duplicate that. So everybody, there's room for the table for everybody.

Chrissi Harris: 00:50:02

Yes. And so not to feel so also feel threatened by another woman's success.

I feel like, gosh, some women's success, it's like it raises the tides for everybody. And so seeing somebody that is having massive wins, massive success, it's like, that's so great.

I never want to be the person who, you know, is picking somebody apart and saying like, oh, I'm jealous. Like, I know there's always like the little green eyed monster. There's always a little, a little bit of jealousy, a little bit of envy that pops in.

But like do not feed that because that just who does that serve? Absolutely nobody. Like celebrate your friends wins, cheer them on, be that person who is always the support, support.

Always willing to, you know, send a nice text to share to say like, to really like pump these women up. Because what does it hurt? Like it ends up coming around to you if you're the one who's always cheering other people on.

You know, when you need though, that encouragement, it's going to come around to you too.

Roxy: 00:51:02

We should be rooting for each other and like another woman's win is a win for all of us because that only advances collectively the group, you know, and it's like, I, like, I think that too. Like you're saying the competitive, maybe like, you know, feeling threatened, like, we gotta let go of that. I mean, it's hard.

I know it's hard because it is natural to look around and see, you know, somebody else doing something maybe that you wanted to do or that you don't feel like you're in the same place as them. But I think that will serve us so, so much more collectively as a group of women is letting go of being threatened or feeling competitive.

Because again, we are only our own people, so we are our only voice. And there is no competition except with ourself. Right? I mean, truly.

Chrissi Harris: 00:51:48

Absolutely. Truly, absolutely. And it's like you think of the things that you would say, you know, the things that you say to, you know, yourself.

I'm trying to think of a good way to put it. Like the, the words that you'd want to. The things you would say to your friends.

You know, the way that you would encourage your friends, kind of turning it back around. You know, the way that you would encourage your friends and be like, you're doing amazing. You're, you know, I'm so proud of you.

You're doing these great things. It's like, you know, turn that back around on you as well to say, you know, like, give yourself the positive self talk. You're doing amazing.

You're doing something. You know, you are growing in ways, you're learning in ways, you're evolving in ways like pump yourself up.

Obviously, it's like you want to put all the goodness out in the world, but also, also bring it back to yourself. And do not forget to congratulate yourself for the wins and to recognize the growth that is within you and the ways that you've handled situations.

And, you know, I think that there's a lot that we just need to just give more positivity, whether it's to everyone out there or back to yourself.

Roxy: 00:52:53

100 we should be. You know, we do.

So many of us do affirmations for our daughters, you know, going to bed at night for our kids in general, you know, doing these affirmations. And yet it's so hard to do them for ourselves. And I think we have to be able to look in a mirror, stare at ourselves and say, you know what?

You're fucking awesome. You know, you are smart, you are intelligent, you are a go getter. You are creating something.

You know, whatever the affirmations are, you're strong, you're brave. Like all these things, it's so Important that we have the same self talk like that.

And even to write it down, like write that down on a piece of paper.

If you don't want to say it to yourself in the mirror, write it down on a piece of paper, stick that sucker up on your wall and look at it and just really take that in. Because everybody has a gift. There is something special about everybody. So it's just, you just have to believe in yourself.

Chrissi Harris: 00:53:44

Absolutely. And I feel like being at this age and stage, this is the time where it's like, bet on yourself. Yes, bet on yourself.

Like, let's do this, let's do the thing, try the new thing, learn the new hobby.

You know, put yourself out there, whatever it is, because, yeah, there, there's so much time and like you can develop into this even more amazing person if you just have. I would say just take that leap.

Roxy: 00:54:15

Take that leap of faith. So what advice would you give your 25 year old self?

Chrissi Harris: 00:54:22

All right, I would, again, I would say stop looking at what other people are doing. Stop comparing your journey to other people. I feel like that's something that really, I did get too much.

I got caught too much up in, oh, this person's doing this. This person's doing this big thing, this person's doing that big thing and feeling this, really affected by that.

Feeling a little bit like, oh, I missed the boat or what, what am I doing wrong? And I feel like telling myself, like, just focus on yourself. Like, stay in your lane.

Stop looking at this person's race or that person's race, because truly it's your own race that matters. And I think if I would have listened to that a little bit, that would have served me really, really well.

But I'm glad I'm learning that lesson now at this age rather than never.

Roxy: 00:55:14

Yes, it's never too late. It is never too late to start to learn. You know, I mean, we learn lessons every day.

I mean, people who are 95 years old are learning lessons every day. So it's never too late to learn. Right. And how are you living iconically right now?

Chrissi Harris: 00:55:31

How am I living iconically? I feel like truly putting myself out there and starting a podcast, putting myself out there in a way, in a, in a way that I never have.

Like, this has been extremely empowering, extremely exciting. This has been a wonderful, wonderful exercise in like, what am I able to do and connecting with people.

I feel like, yeah, starting this podcast, starting found at 40 really has been an iconic move for me.

Roxy: 00:55:58

Yes. So iconic. It's such a great show. Please tell our audience where they can find you.

Chrissi Harris: 00:56:04

Thank you. So found at 40. I'm available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and on YouTube and then on Instagram. I'm at found at 40 podcast 40 with a four zero.

Roxy: 00:56:15

Perfect. And what a great name for a show. It brings up all the feelings and all the things. So yeah, everyone go check out her show.

Go check out her social media. You'll glean so much amazing knowledge and information because she is great. So definitely check her out.

Chrissi Harris: 00:56:32

Thank you.

Roxy: 00:56:33

Thank you, Chrissy. Thank you, thank you.

Chrissi Harris: 00:56:36

You're welcome.

Roxy: 00:56:38

If you've been waiting for a sign to shake things up, this might be it. Chrissy is living proof that midlife isn't a breakdown. It's a breakthrough.

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